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Get Ready for the Winners List “America’s Most Advisor-Friendly Trust Companies” Special Report on February 6
Posted by Scott Martin in Headlines on January 8, 2012
With over 1,700 trust providers to choose from, we’ve spotted only a handful rolling out the red carpet for financial advisors and broker dealer representatives.
As 2012 begins, every advisor in the business is already hunting the competitive edge they need to stand out from the crowd and capture new assets.
Many acknowledge that it’s no longer enough to offer prospects a traditional investment management and financial planning approach. There has to be an angle, a differentiating factor.
With $41 trillion at stake as the baby boomers retire and start pondering their legacies, that angle increasingly involves estate planning. And modern estate planning means being able to support trusts.
Unfortunately, most trust companies only want advisors’ business so they can get control of the underlying assets. These vendors aren’t really partners. They’re just competitors, wealth managers in trust officer clothing.
So how do advisors find a partner they can trust? That’s what we set out to discover.
Featuring the Winners List
Our next report on directed and delegated trust providers will zero in on who in the trust industry is catering to registered investment advisors (RIAs), family offices and broker-dealer representatives.
There are a few obvious choices in the form of trust companies owned by advisors or dedicated exclusively to their business: Wealth Advisors Trust Company, Advisory Trust, Provident Trust, National Advisors Trust Company, Alaska Trust, Summit Trust and a few others.
But due diligence is the name of the game here. Advisors need to weigh all the options they can before picking a trust partner, much less diverting their clients’ assets to someone else’s custody.
With that thought in mind, the Trust Advisor has been tracking advisor-friendly trust companies for years now. The 2012 list will be available on a complimentary basis for download beginning in our February 6 issue.
As in previous years, we’ll rank the technologies used for each of the trust providers, reveal custody arrangements and compare fees side by side so you can be sure you’re getting the value your clients deserve.
Anecdotal commentary and extensive interviews will give you a sense of the types of trust each company can handle and the level of customer service it provides.
As Christopher Holtby, head of South Dakota-based Wealth Advisors Trust Company, told us last year, advisors and clients alike still don’t understand how trusts work.
This year, we’re also looking at how well these firms educate their partners and potential partners. Can they explain to advisors how to cultivate trust relationships and build their own businesses, or are they simply waiting to absorb whatever assets the advisors send over?
Let’s make 2012 the year of the win-win scenario. You will be able to receive your complimentary download. Just check our February 6 issue.
If your trust company would like to be included or to advertise in this special report, simply click here
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Scott Martin, Senior Editor, The Trust Advisor
Who’s Charging What for Trust Services?
Posted by Scott Martin in News on April 3, 2010
Trust fees are headed higher according to our pricing survey completed this week. Some firms work strictly from a rate card. Others decide what your client will pay when the business is placed on the table. Either way, it’s good to know what the “market value” of trust services.
There’s still a fair amount of mystery surrounding exactly what’s baked into each of those basis points.
“It’s never as simple as just lining up the fees,” says Mike Flinn, a Phoenix-based trust consultant at Advisory Trust Company. “Once you start drilling down into the basis points, it becomes pretty clear that different firms really do different things,” he added.
To find out where the sizzle hits the steak for various types of trust company, The Trust Advisor Blog conducted a survey below of what they’re charging.
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Who’s Charging What for Trust Services |
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Trust Company |
State |
Trust account minimum |
Minimum annual fee |
First $1 million |
Next $2 to $3 million |
$3 to $5 million |
Above $5 million |
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DE |
$500,000 |
$3,000 |
0.50% |
0.40% |
0.30% |
0.25% |
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DE |
$1 million |
$6,000 |
0.60% |
* |
0.45% |
Neg. |
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NH |
None |
$3,000 |
0.90% |
0.55% |
0.45% |
0.35% |
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IL & |
$5 million |
$20,000 |
0.40% |
0.40% |
0.40% |
0.20% |
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GA |
None |
$3,000 |
0.60% |
0.35% |
0.35% |
0.35% |
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NM |
None |
$4,000 |
0.75% |
0.75% |
0.50% |
0.35% |
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NV |
None |
$1,000 |
0.50% |
0.50% |
0.50% |
0.40% |
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NV |
$100 |
$100 |
1.00% |
0.80% |
0.70% |
Neg. |
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SD |
None |
$4,000 |
0.50% |
0.50% |
0.42% |
0.35% |
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DE |
$1 million |
$8,000 |
0.60% |
0.40% |
0.40% |
0.25% |
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* Breakpoint is $2 million. NOTE:Accuracy is not guaranteed. Please consult the institution directly to confirm costs. The Trust Advisor Blog realizes that this is not a comprehensive list of all firms. To make sure your institution is included or excluded in the July 2nd edition of this survey please let us know. We will be expanding coverage; please also include any other services offered such as investment management, special purpose trusts, HSAs, etc. Advisors and estate planners may reproduce this survey upon request. To contact us, click here. |
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Source: Websites and telephone interviews. ©2010 TheTrustAdvisor.com |
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The Basic Account
One thing we discovered: if you just want a no-frills account, Flinn adds, it’s probably going to cost at least $3,000 a year. “That’s really the minimum anyone can comfortably charge.”
“Maybe $2,500,” he conceded. “But at that level, it’s going to be very difficult to stay in the business.”
While $3,000 happens to be what Advisory Trust charges on the low end, it does seem to be an informal sweet spot within the trust industry. Other companies that start at that level include New Hampshire Trust and Georgia-based Reliance Trust.
There are companies that charge small accounts less (Nevada’s Summit Trust will go as low as $100 a year), but plenty start their fees at $4,000 and up. It all depends on the size of account they’re courting and what makes economic sense, Christopher Holtby, president of Wealth Advisors Trust Company, told me.
“Hitting the sweet spot is part art, part science,” he explains. “There are very specific things that every trust has to do, and everything else is extra.”
Good scale for big fish
Northern Trust doesn’t publish its fee scale, but president Dan Lindley was kind enough to give The Trust Advisor a peek.
Although the $20,000 minimum fee looks steep at first, it makes a lot more sense when you consider that Northern Trust isn’t really interested in personal directed trust accounts with less than $5 million in assets. For a client with that kind of wealth, the $20,000 translates into at most 40 basis points a year—pretty low by industry standards.
(Really big clients get institutional-strength discounts. Once a Northern Trust account grows beyond $30 million, the company will only charge 5 basis points: $500 a year per $1 million.)
The upshot is that by concentrating on high-end clients, a white-glove firm like Northern Trust can build a lot of sizzle into its steak, even though the cost per dollar of AUM is comparable to what bare-bones vendors charge.
“Northern Trust in Delaware charges a reasonable, competitive fee and in return provides comprehensive services to our directed trust clients backed by more than 120 years of experience as a fiduciary,” Lindley told me.
Other high-end trust companies argue that at this level, it’s pointless to advertise your fees because high-net-worth clients and their advisors are happy to pay for the service.
Some vendors refused to participate in the survey because they either work on an a la carte basis (Alaska Trust) or figure out what to charge once they see the trust paperwork (Commonwealth Trust). As Alaska Trust founder Douglas Blattmachr told me, it’s pointless to advertise how much a generic offering would cost when the fact is that at this level, one size fits none.
“It really does depend on what the client wants us to provide,” he says.
When asked to present a benchmark, he estimated that a relatively bare-bones Alaska Trust account might charge 50 basis points a year or an annual minimum of $3,500. That’s about where vanilla Commonwealth trusts start, Jim McMackin, who runs the company’s marketing, told me.
Splitting smaller pies
Naturally, it’s going to cost extra if the trust company also manages the underlying assets. But there are a lot of vendors out there that are happy to offload the investment responsibilities and knock a bit off their fees in return.
Companies like Wealth Advisors Trust, Advisory Trust and Santa Fe Trust, cater exclusively to investment advisors looking for a place to refer their clients who need to open a trust.
Account minimums tend to be relatively low—Wealth Advisors Trust and Santa Fe Trust can theoretically start a trust with as little as $1—but expenses can be a little higher to cover the fixed cost of administering these tiny trusts.
For example, Santa Fe Trust accepts very small accounts, but according to its published fee scale it will still charge them at least $4,000 a year. At an annual fee of 75 basis points, this suggests that a trust really needs to have more than around $533,000 in it to “earn out” that $4,000 minimum fee.
By comparison, Wealth Advisors Trust’s scale “earns out” at a slightly higher level ($800,000 in the account), which indicates that its platform is built to support a somewhat more affluent clientele. Others on our list (Advisory Trust, Reliance, Saturna, New Hampshire Trust) justify their minimums at lower levels.
Whatever happens, says Kathy Roberts, the CEO of Santa Fe Trust, small accounts shouldn’t be loss leaders.
“We don’t take a trust that isn’t going to be profitable,” she told me. While she’ll take on a tiny trust if the grantor insists, she warns that advisors should recognize that the trust company will pass on the cost of running it and sometimes it just doesn’t make sense.
Where we go from here
Most of the people I talked to say the cost of running a trust has already gone about as low as it can go.
Mike Flinn from Advisory Trust and Douglas Blattmachr of Alaska Trust agree that the cost of fiduciary compliance and routine service probably isn’t going any lower than around $3,000 per trust any time soon, especially given the current trend toward higher regulation.
“It’s expensive to be a fiduciary,” Blattmachr acknowledged in our conversation. “So that provides a floor on what people can offer.”
But beyond that level, technology keeps improving and letting efficient trust companies bring down their overall cost proposition. Blattmachr says low-end players can use technology to better serve the mass market. Kathy Roberts of Santa Fe Trust agrees.
Either way, Christopher Holtby of Wealth Advisors Trust told me that there’s always room for enthusiastic competitors.
“Wherever fees go,” he says, “there are going to be a lot more entrants in the trust service business.”
Scott Martin, contributing editor, The Trust Advisor Blog. Steven Maimes contributed to the research and the editing.
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Do You Own an Apple iPad?
The Trust Advisor will be publishing an upcoming article on wealth management applications for the new Apple iPad device.
I have seen the device and its amazing. Forbes reported that Apple sold between 600,000 and 700,000 iPads today alone.
We would like to include any comments our readers have about their experience with the device, either good or bad and what applications they may be using.
Click this link to submit your iPad comments
Thank you — Jerry Cooper, Sr. Editor, the Trust Advisor
Pershing’s “Trust Network” Wins it Top Honor as the RIA’s Most Trust-Friendly Custodian
Posted by Jerry Cooper in News, Practice Management on October 16, 2009
Advisor’s frozen in time since last October’s Meltdown have begun to warm up to attracting more “sticky” trust relationships. Our data shows that among the four major custodians, Pershing is the best choice based on more independent options and the best ongoing support.
As the financial winter appears to be behind us, advisory firms are now dusting off their growth agendas in pursuit of capturing more assets and higher quality accounts. With the surge in M & A activity beginning, advisors are looking to support different avenues of growth for developing new trust account relationships.
Joseph Spatucci, Vice President, of Pershing, LLC. says “Seventy percent of high wealth accounts over $1 million are associated with trusts.” This statistic gives RIA’s plenty of motivation to pursue attracting new trust account business.
With bank trust departments no longer interested in accounts less than $5 million there lies plenty of opportunity for the advisor to land new relationships. However, they must have the know how, expertise and support of a trustee firm to harvest this business. The first place an advisor will likely go to for support is their custodian.
This report looks closely at four of the major custodians, Schwab, Fidelity, TD and Pershing as to what their “recommendations” are for bringing in new trust business.
At first, one might think that Charles Schwab, with 52 percent of the market share, $575 billion under administration would be their first choice to go to for such highly complex support. 
However, the Trust Advisor team spent several weeks researching all the custodial firms to determine who offers the best support and resources to help bring in new trust relationships.
Pershing Advisor Solutions, the fourth rank, low man on the totem pole custodian outranked its other three competitors for several compelling reasons. First and foremost, given the fact that a trust relationship generally speaking average account size is $1 million to $5 million that coincides with selecting a custodian that is best suited to support the high end market – Pershing.
Last year, quoted in Fundfire, Mark Tibergien, Managing Director and CEO of Pershing Advisor Solutions said “We can’t out Schwab Schwab in serving the masses.” He added “We are focusing on larger teams wanting to grow their business serving larger clients. We look through the advisor to the end client so the measure of success is not the size of the advisor firm; it is the size of the client.” Tibergien added, “Emphasis is on the wealthier client who aligns itself perfectly to being the best suited custodian for supporting trust business since its average account size is $1.3 million.”
Tibergien’s words are reflected in the account concentration analysis show below. Despite Pershing’s small size, it packs a mean punch when it comes to hosting larger firms with large size accounts.
Last year Pershing launched a “Trust Network”open architecture platform of trust administration providers. This network is unique since Pershing does not have its own in-house trust company as Fidelity, Schwab, and TD have.
They have no agenda or preconceived trust provider to send clients to. They offer a selection of highly qualified and competent trust only administrators who perform trustee and administration services for directed trust relationships.
In this process, the RIA firm is assured of keeping the account relationship since it retains the investment management functions. In addition the providers listed on Pershing’s “Trust Network” offer no custody of assets in competition with Pershing, making a perfect fit for hosting assets on Pershing’s custody platform.
This chart below, Trust Friendly RIA Custodians provides a snapshot of the important features of a trust provider for developing new business.
Particular emphasis is placed on being directed to providers that support the creation of GST exempt trusts or dynasty trusts, asset protection trusts, these are trusts that protect assets from unwarranted lawsuits and the risk of litigation, and supports directed trusts which permits the investment management to be delegated to the advisor so the client continues to have a seamless relationship with the advisory firm.
In addition, trust providers should recommend trust relationships in tax free states which in particular amongst the three providers noted accomplishing this are, Pershing, Schwab, Fidelity with recommended resources in Delaware.
I spoke Spatucci, at the June 2008 Insite Conference. Spatucci said, Bank of New York Mellon agreed to serve as the trustee for directed trust accounts provided the assets were in the bank’s custody. “That did not square off with us at Pershing”. He added, it forced his team to go off and find a better solution.
Pershing execs, with Spatucci in charge, came up with the idea of the Trust Network which supported the concept of open architecture, meaning that an advisor would not be steered to an in-house custodian-owned trust company, but instead would be fully supported using outside trust providers that it checked out and were added to its network.
In May 2008 Pershing announced the launch of the Network and unveiled its first showcase of providers at the 2008 Insight Conference in June. In attendance, Wilmington Trust, AST Capital Trust, now Advisory Trust and Santa Fe Trust Company all substantial and quality administrative trust providers.
I have had several contacts with the Pershing team since 2008. I have received great feedback from several advisors. For more information on the Pershing Trust Network, call Shadia Kirk, Vice President of Pershing who handles the program. Shadia is very trust literate, understands the issues and can be reached at 1‑630‑472‑6741.
CHARLES SCHWAB
All in one provider Schwab has always been keenly aware of the requirement to support trust relationships with the fact that it must agree with Spatucci’s 70 percent trust relationship metric has gone to considerably to make certain that it hosts a comfortable environment for its 5,500 RIA firms that depend on it for custody and clearing.
The first good decision Schwab made was to host its trust providing resource in the State of Delaware. This permits its trust company to host GST exempt trusts or dynasty trusts, asset protection trusts and directed trusts. Last year, Schwab announced that it would create a stand-alone trust provider in Delaware. For more detailed information on their support call Thomas Forrest, President of Personal Trusts, Charles Schwab Bank in Delaware. His telephone number is 302‑622‑3616.
FIDELITY
According to a 2005 news article, Fidelity seemed to be on a path similar to one that Pershing took last year for a referral program. The program from what we can determine was run by Donna Cournoyer, Fidelity’s vice president for trust services.
From what our research shows Fidelity has done it right by hosting its own trust provider in Delaware, Fidelity Personal Trust Company. This would permit this trust provider to host the special purpose trusts that are required to support these types of relationships. At this point. Donna appears to have left Fidelity last year, with no clear successor. Therefore, the only missing link is to determine who is in charge of Fidelity to connect all the dots. In other words who is the resource person there to contact should one wish to arrange for supported trust services.
TD INSTITUTIONAL
From what I can determine TD Institutional before it was TD and only Ameritrade seemed to be on the right track. It announced in the same 2005 press report that it offered trust services through an open architecture program and referred its advisors to two Delaware based institutions, American Guarantee and Trust and Capital Trust.
Then, an announcement came in January 2007 by Tom Bradley at TD Ameritrade’s chief that it had purchased the business assets of Gayle Weiss and Associates including its trust company subsidiary International Clearing Trust Company.
It was not clear from the announcement how much TD invested for this enterprise but it did say that the purpose of the trust company was not to support its advisors for directed trust relationships but to support defined benefit contribution plan and retirement plans.
The odd fact about this acquisition is that International Clearing Trust Company, ICTC, was chartered in the State of Maine.
Maine is not a GST exempt trust state nor is it a state that supports the type of trust business that advisors are looking for such as from Delaware, South Dakota, Nevada, or Alaska. On April 15, 2008 the State of Maine approved the name change from International Clearing Trust Company to TD Ameritrade Trust Company.
Again another odd move TD Ameritrade purchased a Fiserv Trust Company as a Colorado industrial bank and merged its assets into what appears to be the Maine trust company. Fiserv hosts a thriving business of supporting a custodial and retirement account trusteeships mostly for alternative assets at relatively pricey fees.
I have placed several calls to TD Ameritrade to find out exactly what their trust support policies were and was not able to learn much. I was not able to find a key resource person to let me know whether or not TD supports the directed trust relationships for the creation of special purpose trusts that many advisory firms are interested in pursuing.
As more and more trust business is created, the four major custodians and others are going to zero in on supporting trusts. Pershing in particular at this point seems best suited based on our findings to host this business.
Jerry Cooper, senior editor, The Trust Advisor Blog. Steven Maimes contributed to the research.







