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Who’s Charging What for Trust Services? Part 2

Our new expanded trust industry survey for the second quarter of 2010 reveals who’s charging what for directed trusts and for investment management. We found some providers offer a better deal for bundled services. Either way, both plans have their advantages.

When wealthy families pick a trust company, pricing is a factor. But there’s still a lot of debate about just how much value vendors should pack into each of those basis points in order to win accounts.

The Trust Advisor’s latest quarterly survey of independent trust company fees shows that the industry is all over the map when it comes to picking a sweet spot between service and profitability.

Some vendors take a full-service approach and charge a bundled fee for giving clients everything they need or want. Others just provide administrative or custodial service at a rock-bottom price and rely on scale or other operating advantages to boost their margins.

Either way, trust officers agree that unless you’re already one of the biggest banks in the business, it’s important to resist the urge to deliver a one-size-fits-all experience.

“From our point of view, this is not a commodity business,” Anthony Guthrie, president of Atlanta-based Reliance Trust, which offers both bundled and unbundled options, told me. “How we differentiate ourselves from the banks is on service, and that’s not something you can reduce to an in-the-box product or price.”

Who’s Charging What for Directed Trust Services

Trust Company

State

Trust account minimum

Minimum annual fee

First $1 million

Next $1 million

“"

DE

$500,000

$3,000

0.50%

0.40%

“"

TX

N/A

$1,100

1.10%

0.75%

“"

DE

$1 million

$6,000

0.60%

0.60%

“"

DE

$1 million

$5,000 (plus add’l fees)

$5k fee to $1.5M

$7.5k fee to $5M

“"

KY

$1 million

N/A

1.00%

1.00%

“"

NH

None

$3,000

0.90%

0.55%

“"

IL & DE

$5 million

$20,000

0.40%

0.40%

“"

GA

None

$3,000

0.60%

0.35%

“"

NM

None

$4,000

0.75%

0.75%

“"

NV

None

$1,000

0.50%

0.50%

“"

NV

$5,000

$100

1.00%

0.80%

“"

VT

Varies

N/A

0.50%

0.30%

“"

SD

None

$4,000

0.50%

0.50%

“"

DE

$1 million

$8,000

0.60%

0.40%

“"

NM

$240,000

$2,400

1.00%

0.75%

NOTE: Accuracy is not guaranteed. Please consult the institution directly to confirm costs. The Trust Advisor Blog realizes that this is not a comprehensive list of all firms. To make sure your institution is included (or excluded) in the October 2010 of this survey, please let us know. We will be expanding coverage; please also include any other services offered such as investment management, special purpose trusts, HSAs, etc. Advisors and estate planners may reproduce this survey upon request. To contact us, click here.

Source: Websites and telephone interviews. ©2010 TheTrustAdvisor.com

Finding your niche

In fact, full-service trust companies find that once they focus on a market segment, clients will pay a premium on top of the roughly $3,000 a bare-bones provider would charge just to open the account. If not, they probably weren’t going to be profitable business anyway.

“Our customers are usually need-specific,” says Teresa DeMenge, senior trust officer at Zia Trust, which works with a lot of employee benefits programs and IRAs.

Prospects who need more than what Zia provides “really do need the bigger banks to ‘jumbo’ their services,” she told me.

While these clients may be looking for a trustee or custodian, they often end up requiring private banking services or other add-on expertise that a pure trust provider can’t really provide as a standalone operation.

Because those really big fish tend to demand big discounts, even the biggest banks may not really want their business, Bernard Garbo, publisher of A.M. Publishing’s Trust Performance Report, told me.

“You see people in the banking industry getting out of the trust business because being a full-service vendor is too expensive,” he says.

“Doing too many things is difficult,” he added. “Institutions that do nothing but personal trusts do not have the support of being inside a bank, but they still make a lot of money.”

The sweet spot

Of course, the big trust banks say they make their money by leveraging the sheer scale of their holdings. But while deciphering the basis points is not an exact science, it seems that you need pretty vast scale to overcome minuscule margins.

Crunching Garbo’s data reveals that some of the biggest players in the industry generated revenue of 0.20% or less on their managed assets and net margins under 0.02%. Based on that math, there are banks out there that squeeze less than $250,000 in profit out of every $1 billion they gather.

The more commoditized a trust company’s business it is, the faster its fees have to race to that 0.20% level in order to remain competitive, and the more efficiently it needs to run in order to break even.

Those 20 basis points are also roughly what it costs large and small trust companies to provide custody service, says Reliance Trust’s Anthony Guthrie, so we are unlikely to see pure custodians drop their prices any time soon.

Added service demands richer fees. However, the exact formula for what to charge for administration or investment management varies widely from vendor to vendor, and is often obscure when they simply quote clients an all-in-one bundled rate.

“I’m actually not sure I’ve ever had a discussion about how you bifurcate a wrap fee,” says Guthrie, who estimates that a discretionary trustee could easily charge 50 basis points for administration and support and another 50 basis points for any in-house wealth management service.

Of course, that isn’t pure profit. Companies like Reliance, for example, assign all clients—large and small—their own relationship managers, rather than make the little accounts go through a call center. Throw in expensive frills like local administration or investment expertise, and those basis points get eaten up pretty fast.

Investment Management Provided by Trust Companies

Trust Company

State

First $1 million

Next $1 million

“"

TX

1.10%

0.75%

“"

DE

1.00%

1.00%

“"

DE

$5k minimum to $1.5M

$7.5k minimum to $5M

“"

KY

1.00%

1.00%

“"

NH

0.90%

0.55%

“"

NV

0.50%

0.50%

“"

NV

0.84%

0.80%

“"

VT

1.00%

0.60%

“"

SD

1.25%

1.00%

NOTE:Accuracy is not guaranteed. Please consult the institution directly to confirm costs. Most institutions require a $1 million minimum trust account and there are can be additional fees for investment services. The Trust Advisor Blog realizes that this is not a comprehensive list of all firms. To make sure your institution is included (or excluded) in the October 2010 of this survey, please let us know. We will be expanding coverage; please also include any other services offered such as investment management, special purpose trusts, HSAs, etc. Advisors and estate planners may reproduce this survey upon request. To contact us, click here.

Source: Websites and telephone interviews. ©2010 TheTrustAdvisor.com

Where we go from here

If anything, what’s surprising about independent trust companies’ fee structures is not so much that they are resisting the temptation to race to the bottom, but that prices aren’t on the rise.

According to Guthrie, pricing at Reliance and the rest of the industry hasn’t budged much over the last decade. “There simply hasn’t been much price compression,” he says.

Teresa DeMenge at Zia Trust agrees that pricing at independent trust companies is stable “so far,” but warns that there may be change on the horizon for bank trust departments.

“Large bank fees appear to be rising,” she told me. “Medium-sized banks seem to have a slight increase due to an increase in operation costs.”

If so, this may make the banks even less competitive at a moment when many are already dumping their trust businesses entirely to leave the field to the specialists, Bernard Garbo says.

“It’s an old thing, but it’s as true in the banking business as anywhere else,” he told me. “Doing too many things is difficult.”

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Expert Says Delaware and South Dakota Trust Providers Should Boost Fees

Pricing guru Rafi Mohammed recommends providers in trust-friendly states charge higher fees for services not available elsewhere.

Trust companies in a position to provide a broader range of products don’t need to cut prices to compete and are even justified in charging higher fees, says Rafi Mohammed Ph.D, a leading pricing expert and author of books like The 1% Windfall and The Art of Pricing.

“If I come to you and say my trust product can avoid taxes for generations to come while others don’t, your eyes would be popping,” he told me. “If consumers are really hooked on the dynasty trust, then vendors should not be afraid to ask for a top-dollar premium on that added value.”

To earn that premium, out-of-state trust companies have to give prospective customers a good reason to move their business out of the local market. In some jurisdictions, the selling point might be the perpetual or “dynasty” trust, which potentially lets beneficiaries avoid generation-skipping taxes for centuries. Or it may be the self-settled asset protection trust, which is designed to shield wealth from litigators.

“This is not a mass-market product,” Mohammed told me. “Articulate how you are different and how it benefits the consumer,” he added. “Especially in high-net-worth markets like this, it’s not always about the best price.”

Some value propositions are easy to demonstrate to a prospective client. Just moving a plain vanilla trust from New York to Nevada, for example, improves its real investment performance by about 113 basis points a year simply by eliminating drag from state taxes.

That’s a huge added value, and trust companies in tax-free states can get a few of those basis points for themselves if they can communicate what those basis points add up to over the decades.

Competing on value, not price

As long as a trust company avoids charging a lot more than rivals that offer comparable value, it should definitely forget about charging less in order to win business, Mohammed says. After all, these are multi-million-dollar trusts, not Volkswagens.

“Your marketing should never be about a race to the bottom,” he told me. “Once you establish that your offering is competitive with what direct competitors are charging, there’s no reason to lower your prices. People are always too quick to lower prices.”

If your offering isn’t competitive in a particular market, don’t compete there. Directed trust companies like Santa Fe Trust or Georgia-based Reliance Trust often operate in states that don’t support some forms of trusts, so they have to refer these accounts to other vendors—and don’t spend much time chasing them.

“Perpetual trust can be an issue,” Santa Fe CEO Kathy Roberts told me recently.  “We can provide those services through partnerships in other states, but the advisors we work with are more interested in arrangements that are easier to administer right here.”

The numbers speak for themselves

After Delaware changed its statutes to allow perpetual trusts, trust companies operating in the state doubled their assets in five years as money flowed in from all over the country. Clearly, the trust-friendly environment was good for business.

Harvard law professor Robert Sitkoff has been looking at this issue for years alongside Max Schanzenbach at Northwestern. Not all of the 20 perpetual trust states were created equal, he tells me.

In fact, according to their research, between 1995 and 2003, one out of every ten trust dollars—$100 billion—moved to jurisdictions that, like Delaware, South Dakota and Nevada, support trusts in perpetuity but do not tax out-of-state accounts.

States like Wisconsin, which allow perpetual trusts but tax the assets, didn’t get many of those accounts.

“Once there’s a reason to go out of state to take advantage of more favorable statutes, picking the one with the best tax treatment is an obvious decision for an estate planner to make,” Sitkoff explains. “The added cost is minimal and the benefits are huge,” he added.

Other competitive propositions seem harder to sell. Sitkoff and Schanzenbach have yet to find any proof that asset protection, spendthrift trusts, added confidentiality or other added services have translated into concrete asset flows.

“We’re just not picking any of that up,” Sitkoff says.

Pricing and profitability

Some of the most trust-friendly states provide trust companies with a two-pronged benefit: premium service and better margins.

While Philadelphia-based Sterling Trustees is setting up its trust operation in South Dakota because it likes the regulatory climate, Antony Joffe, the company’s president, tells me cost efficiencies are a nice bonus.

“We can operate more cheaply than the Glenmedes and Wilmingtons of the world,” he says.

Rafi Mohammed says that trust companies that operate in low-cost states like New Mexico or South Dakota offer the same level of service as rivals in high-cost states like Pennsylvania or Delaware, so they should charge the same fees.

“There’s no need to lower your price to pass on your efficiencies to the client,” he advises. “When consumers evaluate your product, they never say ‘The most I’m going to pay is double costs,’” he added. “Your profits should never be part of the conversation,” he added.

Scott Martin, contributing editor, The Trust Advisor Blog. Steven Maimes  contributed to the research and the editing

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