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Who’s Charging What for Trust Services?
Posted by Scott Martin in News on April 3, 2010
Trust fees are headed higher according to our pricing survey completed this week. Some firms work strictly from a rate card. Others decide what your client will pay when the business is placed on the table. Either way, it’s good to know what the “market value” of trust services.
There’s still a fair amount of mystery surrounding exactly what’s baked into each of those basis points.
“It’s never as simple as just lining up the fees,” says Mike Flinn, a Phoenix-based trust consultant at Advisory Trust Company. “Once you start drilling down into the basis points, it becomes pretty clear that different firms really do different things,” he added.
To find out where the sizzle hits the steak for various types of trust company, The Trust Advisor Blog conducted a survey below of what they’re charging.
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Who’s Charging What for Trust Services |
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Trust Company |
State |
Trust account minimum |
Minimum annual fee |
First $1 million |
Next $2 to $3 million |
$3 to $5 million |
Above $5 million |
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DE |
$500,000 |
$3,000 |
0.50% |
0.40% |
0.30% |
0.25% |
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DE |
$1 million |
$6,000 |
0.60% |
* |
0.45% |
Neg. |
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NH |
None |
$3,000 |
0.90% |
0.55% |
0.45% |
0.35% |
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IL & |
$5 million |
$20,000 |
0.40% |
0.40% |
0.40% |
0.20% |
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GA |
None |
$3,000 |
0.60% |
0.35% |
0.35% |
0.35% |
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NM |
None |
$4,000 |
0.75% |
0.75% |
0.50% |
0.35% |
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NV |
None |
$1,000 |
0.50% |
0.50% |
0.50% |
0.40% |
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NV |
$100 |
$100 |
1.00% |
0.80% |
0.70% |
Neg. |
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SD |
None |
$4,000 |
0.50% |
0.50% |
0.42% |
0.35% |
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DE |
$1 million |
$8,000 |
0.60% |
0.40% |
0.40% |
0.25% |
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* Breakpoint is $2 million. NOTE:Accuracy is not guaranteed. Please consult the institution directly to confirm costs. The Trust Advisor Blog realizes that this is not a comprehensive list of all firms. To make sure your institution is included or excluded in the July 2nd edition of this survey please let us know. We will be expanding coverage; please also include any other services offered such as investment management, special purpose trusts, HSAs, etc. Advisors and estate planners may reproduce this survey upon request. To contact us, click here. |
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Source: Websites and telephone interviews. ©2010 TheTrustAdvisor.com |
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The Basic Account
One thing we discovered: if you just want a no-frills account, Flinn adds, it’s probably going to cost at least $3,000 a year. “That’s really the minimum anyone can comfortably charge.”
“Maybe $2,500,” he conceded. “But at that level, it’s going to be very difficult to stay in the business.”
While $3,000 happens to be what Advisory Trust charges on the low end, it does seem to be an informal sweet spot within the trust industry. Other companies that start at that level include New Hampshire Trust and Georgia-based Reliance Trust.
There are companies that charge small accounts less (Nevada’s Summit Trust will go as low as $100 a year), but plenty start their fees at $4,000 and up. It all depends on the size of account they’re courting and what makes economic sense, Christopher Holtby, president of Wealth Advisors Trust Company, told me.
“Hitting the sweet spot is part art, part science,” he explains. “There are very specific things that every trust has to do, and everything else is extra.”
Good scale for big fish
Northern Trust doesn’t publish its fee scale, but president Dan Lindley was kind enough to give The Trust Advisor a peek.
Although the $20,000 minimum fee looks steep at first, it makes a lot more sense when you consider that Northern Trust isn’t really interested in personal directed trust accounts with less than $5 million in assets. For a client with that kind of wealth, the $20,000 translates into at most 40 basis points a year—pretty low by industry standards.
(Really big clients get institutional-strength discounts. Once a Northern Trust account grows beyond $30 million, the company will only charge 5 basis points: $500 a year per $1 million.)
The upshot is that by concentrating on high-end clients, a white-glove firm like Northern Trust can build a lot of sizzle into its steak, even though the cost per dollar of AUM is comparable to what bare-bones vendors charge.
“Northern Trust in Delaware charges a reasonable, competitive fee and in return provides comprehensive services to our directed trust clients backed by more than 120 years of experience as a fiduciary,” Lindley told me.
Other high-end trust companies argue that at this level, it’s pointless to advertise your fees because high-net-worth clients and their advisors are happy to pay for the service.
Some vendors refused to participate in the survey because they either work on an a la carte basis (Alaska Trust) or figure out what to charge once they see the trust paperwork (Commonwealth Trust). As Alaska Trust founder Douglas Blattmachr told me, it’s pointless to advertise how much a generic offering would cost when the fact is that at this level, one size fits none.
“It really does depend on what the client wants us to provide,” he says.
When asked to present a benchmark, he estimated that a relatively bare-bones Alaska Trust account might charge 50 basis points a year or an annual minimum of $3,500. That’s about where vanilla Commonwealth trusts start, Jim McMackin, who runs the company’s marketing, told me.
Splitting smaller pies
Naturally, it’s going to cost extra if the trust company also manages the underlying assets. But there are a lot of vendors out there that are happy to offload the investment responsibilities and knock a bit off their fees in return.
Companies like Wealth Advisors Trust, Advisory Trust and Santa Fe Trust, cater exclusively to investment advisors looking for a place to refer their clients who need to open a trust.
Account minimums tend to be relatively low—Wealth Advisors Trust and Santa Fe Trust can theoretically start a trust with as little as $1—but expenses can be a little higher to cover the fixed cost of administering these tiny trusts.
For example, Santa Fe Trust accepts very small accounts, but according to its published fee scale it will still charge them at least $4,000 a year. At an annual fee of 75 basis points, this suggests that a trust really needs to have more than around $533,000 in it to “earn out” that $4,000 minimum fee.
By comparison, Wealth Advisors Trust’s scale “earns out” at a slightly higher level ($800,000 in the account), which indicates that its platform is built to support a somewhat more affluent clientele. Others on our list (Advisory Trust, Reliance, Saturna, New Hampshire Trust) justify their minimums at lower levels.
Whatever happens, says Kathy Roberts, the CEO of Santa Fe Trust, small accounts shouldn’t be loss leaders.
“We don’t take a trust that isn’t going to be profitable,” she told me. While she’ll take on a tiny trust if the grantor insists, she warns that advisors should recognize that the trust company will pass on the cost of running it and sometimes it just doesn’t make sense.
Where we go from here
Most of the people I talked to say the cost of running a trust has already gone about as low as it can go.
Mike Flinn from Advisory Trust and Douglas Blattmachr of Alaska Trust agree that the cost of fiduciary compliance and routine service probably isn’t going any lower than around $3,000 per trust any time soon, especially given the current trend toward higher regulation.
“It’s expensive to be a fiduciary,” Blattmachr acknowledged in our conversation. “So that provides a floor on what people can offer.”
But beyond that level, technology keeps improving and letting efficient trust companies bring down their overall cost proposition. Blattmachr says low-end players can use technology to better serve the mass market. Kathy Roberts of Santa Fe Trust agrees.
Either way, Christopher Holtby of Wealth Advisors Trust told me that there’s always room for enthusiastic competitors.
“Wherever fees go,” he says, “there are going to be a lot more entrants in the trust service business.”
Scott Martin, contributing editor, The Trust Advisor Blog. Steven Maimes contributed to the research and the editing.
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I have seen the device and its amazing. Forbes reported that Apple sold between 600,000 and 700,000 iPads today alone.
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Are Directed Trusts Too Good to Be True?
Posted by Jerry Cooper in News on February 5, 2010
Decade-old trust feature that splits trustee and advisor into separate operations has become accepted practice for banks and trust companies nationwide; but questions remain: will they last?
On the surface, directed trusts are an obvious win for everyone. Splitting the administration of a newly created trust from the responsibility of managing the assets within it lets legacy advisors keep their accounts and custody provider—such as Schwab or Fidelity. Trustees avoid the headaches of managing exotic assets, while their clients can feel secure knowing that experts are in charge of every aspect of their wealth.
Jeffrey Lauterbach gets credit for turning the concept into a trust operation that propelled his firm, Capital Trust, from zero to $6 billion in trust assets in six years. “It was always market driven,” he told me in a recent interview. “Advisors told us want they wanted, and we delivered.”
Lauterbach sold his operation in 2005, which was subsequently sold to Wilmington Trust in 2007. He added, “Wilmington tried to make a go of it by itself, but didn’t stick with it long enough to make it work. We did”
Today, firms like Advisory Trust of Delaware (Capital Trust’s successor, owned by Wilmington Trust), Santa Fe Trust, Reliance Trust and Wealth Advisors Trust Company of South Dakota are actively courting advisors who want to add value without handing off the relationships they’ve worked so hard to build. Fees are generally split between trustee and investment manager, which helps make sure everyone stays happy.
These advisor-oriented trust companies are also promoting the directed trust model directly to wealthy people who may benefit from a trust but don’t feel like handing the reins of a family business, for example, to a relative stranger who knows nothing about how to keep the business going. In these cases, setting up a directed trust lets insiders stay in charge and still enjoy the other advantages of ownership under the trust structure.
“A corporate trustee doesn’t want to get involved in running a closely held business, and families don’t want corporate trustees interfering in a lot of their decisions,” trusts and estates lawyer Bruce Stone told Lawyers USA (a professional monthly for the legal profession) back in 2007. “With a directed trust, the corporate trustee only has to do certain things.”
Liability in the Details
So far so good, but if things go wrong, the question of who gets blamed still gets decided on a state-by-state basis. The limits of a trustee’s responsibility to monitor the advisors assigned to direct the trust’s investments are often nebulous, and some have been sued for failing to spot and stop misconduct fast enough.
It’s a controversial topic even among The Trust Advisor’s readership. When we posted back in January our analysis of the most trust-favorable states, estate planners piped up with corrections.
“In your chart, you indicated that Florida doesn’t have a power to direct,” wrote Lester Law, a senior vice president at U.S. Trust Bank of America Private Wealth Management working in Naples, Florida. “Can you review the … statute and let me know what you think?” And Boulder, Colorado attorney Scott Robinson alerted us that “The chart indicates that Wyoming does not have a directed trust statute. Wyoming does in fact have such a statute.”
Two Approaches
In an influential 2007 white paper on the subject which may be downloaded, ”Directed Trusts: Can Directed Trustees Limit Their Liability?,” trust guru Richard Nenno, a managing director at Wilmington Trust Company of Delaware, divides the roughly 30 states that allow directed trust arrangements into two main groups. Most (including, according to the white paper, Florida and Wyoming) followed the approach laid down by Section 808(b) of the Uniform Trust Code.
In these states, trustees have to monitor what’s going on in the investment side and step in if the terms of the trust are in danger of being broken. This means the trustee’s potential liability still exists—in whole or in part—even though the work of managing the assets has been assigned to someone else. “Unless the governing instrument provides otherwise, a directed trustee must devote considerable resources” to the job, Nenno writes. In plainer terms, in these states, second-guessing the legacy money manager can be a grind.
However, other states, including Delaware, South Dakota and most of the Trust Advisor top tier, take what Nenno calls “a more protective approach” based on statutes that go beyond the UTC. In these states, trustees are held more-or-less blameless for anything that goes wrong in an area the trust grantor explicitly assigned someone else to handle.
Utah, for example, assigns directed investment advisors separate fiduciary responsibility; the trust company is almost completely off the hook for following the advisor’s investment calls except in cases of gross negligence or willful misconduct.
In these states, Jeff Lauterbach told The Trust Advisor, it’s cut and dried. “The trustee was directed to do something and the trustee did what he was supposed to do, he’s not liable. The advisor’s liable.”
“A Competitive Issue”
Whether a state has been content to go the UTC route or opted for more comprehensive directed trust rules can make or break its ability to support advisors cultivating directed trust arrangements. Joan Crain, a senior director at BNY Mellon Wealth Management in Fort Lauderdale, told Lawyers USA that it’s “a competitive issue” and that the 2007-era Florida rules didn’t go far enough to protect trustees.
“You still have the duty to oversee, to monitor, to intervene,” she said. “The directed trustee statutes in the few states that have strong ones are explicit as to the lack of responsibility on the part of the trustee for reviewing the actions of the investment manager.”
Even in relatively protected states like Delaware, where directed trust statutes go back to 1986, lawsuits still happen. Nenno’s own Wilmington Trust was a defendant in 2004 after the securities lawyer directed to oversee a trust’s assets sued the trust company for following his advice. The court found Wilmington blameless, noting that the investment advisor was happy to collect management fees and so was implicitly accepting the wages of failure.
As Leo Strine, the court chancellor who heard the case, summed up: “Had he wished for Wilmington Trust to be investment advisor to run a high-risk portfolio, I’m sure Wilmington Trust likes to make money. It would be willing to do it. It costs a lot more.”
Jerry Cooper, senior editor, The Trust Advisor Blog. Scott Martin and Steven Maimes contributed.






